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darthxaos

Don't normally play table games, but I have $10 match play.
Casino charges a $0.50 fee per hand on table games, so, assuming my best EV is to make one big bet.
What game should I play, and should I fire it all in one big bet or make multiple bets.
Games they have are Blackjack, Pai Gow Poker, 'Roulette' (with a video screen instead of an actual wheel), Mississippi Stud, Let It Ride, Pick One 21, 3 card Poker, Ultimate TX Hold Em, Dragon Baccarat, that I recall.

GWAE

1 hand of Blackjack, pass line on craps, or red/black on roulette.
Winstar charges money on every table game per hand or just certain limits?

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darthxaos

Per hand. Oklahoma tribal tax of some kind.

Alan

I don't think craps is available anywhere in Oklahoma. Screwy.
And .50 per hand? HE isn't enough? Wow! Greedy and screwy.

darthxaos

I don't think craps is available anywhere in Oklahoma. Screwy.
And .50 per hand? HE isn't enough? Wow! Greedy and screwy.

Choctaw has some kind of weird craps done with cards. The funny thing is the table still has the rubber bumpy pyramids for dice even though the felt has pictures of cards on it.

Alan

I wonder if it's a superstition or something.
Craps with cards, which I have never experienced sounds really lame. Part of the excitement is watching the dice fly and the short wait for them to finally stop and reveal their numbers-good, bad or neutral.
I have no suggestion on how to use your $10, but good luck.

tringlomane

I wonder if it's a superstition or something.

I would assume it's cheaper to buy a normal table from a normal distributor.
And fire it on one hand, preferably on the days the house doesn't charge that fee. (I swear I have read they occasionally do that at some OK casinos.) If every game still charges the fee, I play BJ if you get 3 to 2 on the free play. Otherwise, craps. If it's match play where the coupon is always surrendered and if they somehow allow it's use on non-even money bets, then go for a single number on roulette.

debitncredit

I wonder if it's a superstition or something.

All table games in Oklahoma need to be card-based games according to the treaty between the tribes and the state regulators. Some casinos have cards-based roulettes or craps.

AcesAndEights

We had a casino manager from an OK casino hanging around here for a while...don't remember his username...anyway, that is absolutely correct. There were several ways to get around the collection fee, mostly involving joining the player's club and playing during certain 'happy hours.' Didn't seem like a hard and fast rule at all.

'So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust.' -ontariodealer

Dicenor33

Well, they do use a single die and it's made out of paper and the die is large, almost 5 inches. The player throws that die and dealer uses cards marked with numbers 1 to 6, whatever combination they get that's your number. I'm not sure, but I think that is how it works.

J1ohnny

Hello All; I went to the Winstar Casino in Oklahoma last night. The only craps table they have employs the card craps model. HOWEVER, after the cards are shuffled by the CSM, three cards are dealt onto the table. One of the cards will be turned over...say it is a 5 of diamonds, the dealer(stickman) slides the card over a small glass screen which then creates a 'dice throw' image onto the large monitor. The 'dice throw' has NO resemblance to the card that was turned over. The 5 of diamonds became a 'dice throw' of 4 and 2 for a point of 6. This happened several times, none of the turned over cards became their respective dice throws. It seems that whatever card is turned over is then fed over the glass screen...then a COMPUTER generates the dice throw based on the card? Is this correct? And if their state constitution disallows games based on the throw of dice, why would you allow computerized dice throws? Please assist. Thanks.

Actuarial

Winstar used to be my home casino. The way it was explained to me by the card-roulette croupier was that the constitution is concerned with literal dice and and roulette balls. Besides, the computer isn't actually using or throwing dice, it's just using a RNG.

J1ohnny

Thanks; Assuming RNG is random numerical generator, how would the consumer/gambler know whether it is programmed with a bias. My 20 minute observation noted 'no' hardways 4's, 6's, 8's or 10's.

mustangsally

Thanks; Assuming RNG is random numerical generator, how would the consumer/gambler know whether it is programmed with a bias.

no way to know for sure
i say
i thinks also the programmers do not even know, by the method used, how much of a bias their rng they use actually has
they feel it is good enough
they should just use 2 sets of 6 cards like in CA
simple and easy and fair
my opinion

Quote: J1ohnny

My 20 minute observation noted 'no' hardways 4's, 6's, 8's or 10's.

well the chance the next roll is not a hardway = 32/36
so for 20 rolls without a hardway = abouts 1 in 11
30 rolls = abouts 1 in 35
what do you think the chances are in 20 minutes to see no hardays are?
maybe 1 in 1 million?
so the rng could be rigged?
they could program the software
Winstar

to produce a roll that would cause the most losses per roll
but i think most would stop playing after losing everything every time they play
Winstar roulette tables

if you owned the casino, say
how would you have this done, cant use real dice
to make it fair?
it matters
Sally

Actuarial

what do you think the chances are in 20 minutes to see no hardays are?
maybe 1 in 1 million?
so the rng could be rigged?
Sally

That means you'd have to roll 120 times in 20 minutes, or one roll every 10 seconds. Assuming 2 rolls a minute, odds of no hardways are about 1%

J1ohnny

Well, thanks to all who responded. I just did not have a good feel for this card crap game as compared to a standard dice game. Just continue to observe, maybe become a don't pass bettor.

Frogger

why don't they use one of the electronic craps games available in the market? There's at least 3 different ones.

dfwbird

They use a 36 card deck. Each card corresponds to a combination of dice. For example 5 of diamonds is a 4,2. 6 of clubs might be 2,4. So there is no RNG involved outside the shuffler. Last time I played there they handed out a sheet of paper showing what all the different cards/results were. A new deck is used for each roll.

tringlomane

why don't they use one of the electronic craps games available in the market? There's at least 3 different ones.

True craps is probably not approved by the state. The cards are a 'work around' to allow the game. I really don't know this for sure though.

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Figured I would add to this old thread since it came up in Google...
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